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            "title": "JTBD Interviews for a Product: From Guesswork to Clear Segments and Decisions",
            "content_html": "<p>When a product grows, the team almost always ends up with different versions of reality. Marketing sees one audience, product sees another, support sees a third. Then we argue about segments based on intuition, the loudest voice wins the roadmap, and research stays in a folder and changes little.<\/p>\n<p>In this case study, I show how I built one shared picture using LTV data, ABCD segmentation, and deep JTBD interviews. Then I turned the results into clear segments, customer language, and practical decisions for the product and communication. I also explain how I used AI live translation so I could talk to customers in their native language(Spanish), even when I do not speak it.<\/p>\n<p>I do not share the company name and the exact numbers on purpose. In the screenshots, the data is fictional, but it still shows the right meaning.<\/p>\n<h2>Goal of the Research<\/h2>\n<p>Here is what I needed to do:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Stop inventing audience segments, and build them from real facts and real user voices.<\/li>\n<li>Agree on the focus: who we serve best, and what value we deliver better than competitors.<\/li>\n<li>Understand which customers actually keep the economics working.<\/li>\n<li>Create artifacts that help other departments act and align with the needs of a particular segment.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div class=\"e2-text-picture\">\n<img src=\"https:\/\/www.mazurchak.com\/pictures\/1x2-2.jpg\" width=\"2098\" height=\"595\" alt=\"\" \/>\n<div class=\"e2-text-caption\">At the start, we agreed that you can grow business metrics and beat competitors through the right segmentation.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h2>My Pre-Interview Setup<\/h2>\n<p>For research like this, I build the process from scratch: first I align terms and expectations → then I collect facts → after that I write testable conclusions and turn them into concrete decisions with clear priorities. This removes subjectivity and makes it easier to pass the result between teams.<\/p>\n<p>The project had four steps:<\/p>\n<ol start=\"1\">\n<li>Aligning views inside the company.<\/li>\n<li>Quantitative segmentation by LTV and ABCD segmentation.<\/li>\n<li>Deep interviews in JTBD logic.<\/li>\n<li>Writing clear customer jobs.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<h2>Step 1. Running an Internal Team Workshop Alignment<\/h2>\n<p>At the start, I ran a workshop where I set the JTBD frame:<\/p>\n<p><i>People choose a product as a tool to solve a specific task. It is important to see the context, triggers, success criteria, trade-offs, and alternatives — not a list of desired features.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Then the team described its current view of segments: who they see as key, what they promise them, where the product magic is, and which jobs it covers. We compared the maps, captured the differences, and agreed: from here we test hypotheses with data and interviews, not with personal beliefs.<\/p>\n<h2>Step 2. Economics: LTV and ABCD segmentation<\/h2>\n<p>To make sure interviews did not turn into talks with random people, I started with the customer base. Using seven months of data, I split users by LTV ranges and calculated group size, average number of purchases, revenue, average LTV.<\/p>\n<div class=\"e2-text-picture\">\n<img src=\"https:\/\/www.mazurchak.com\/pictures\/2x2-2.jpg\" width=\"2098\" height=\"497\" alt=\"\" \/>\n<div class=\"e2-text-caption\">The analysis showed that customers with LTV 200–500 bring 56% of revenue. The goal of the research was to understand why they choose the product and what tasks \/ jobs they use it for, so we can learn how to attract and retain this group.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"e2-text-picture\">\n<img src=\"https:\/\/www.mazurchak.com\/pictures\/3x2-2.jpg\" width=\"2098\" height=\"651\" alt=\"\" \/>\n<div class=\"e2-text-caption\">I applied the ABCD framework to the collected data.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>This is where the first “cold shower” happened, and it made the discussion clear right away: a clearly defined share of LTV customers brought most of the revenue. That gave the research an honest focus. We wanted to understand:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>who these people are;<\/li>\n<li>why they choose us;<\/li>\n<li>how to scale this success without drowning in endless service for low-value customers.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>Step 3. In-Depth Customer Interviews to Identify Segment Patterns<\/h2>\n<p>The goal of the interviews was to understand why the client chose our product:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>what happened before the purchase;<\/li>\n<li>what became the trigger;<\/li>\n<li>what options they compared;<\/li>\n<li>where they hesitated;<\/li>\n<li>when the feeling appeared: “aha, this works”;<\/li>\n<li>how the customer defines success.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>In each session, I captured the profile, trigger, aha moment, problems, customer jobs, and signals of disappointment. At the same time, I collected live quotes: the phrases people use to describe their goal and progress. Later, this language works great in marketing, onboarding, and product messaging.<\/p>\n<p>I ran the interviews in Google Meet, and I recorded and transcribed them with Loom. Some conversations were in Spanish: I used a new <a href=\"https:\/\/support.google.com\/meet\/answer\/16221730?hl=en\">Google AI<\/a> service that does live, two-way translation in real time from Spanish to English and back.<\/p>\n<div class=\"e2-text-video\">\n<iframe src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/JWE_7pGwxBc?enablejsapi=1\" allow=\"autoplay\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<div class=\"e2-text-caption\">An example interview where I talk to a customer from Spain without speaking Spanish. In the video, you can see how an AI-based two-way translator works.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>Timing made one thing clear fast: 90 minutes gives better quality than 60. People have time to move past general phrases and get to the real reasons and trade-offs.<\/p>\n<p>I planned to do 25 interviews. But by the 20th, I saw that the key motives and conflicts were repeating — so I stopped earlier.<\/p>\n<div class=\"e2-text-picture\">\n<img src=\"https:\/\/www.mazurchak.com\/pictures\/4x2-2.jpg\" width=\"2098\" height=\"651\" alt=\"\" \/>\n<div class=\"e2-text-caption\">In total, I did 23 interviews: 16 in German and 7 in Spanish. I captured thoughts and conclusions from each session on an online board — in the end, it became a full knowledge base.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h2>Step 4. Defining Three Key Segments and Their Qualification Criteria<\/h2>\n<p>After the interviews, I built the segmentation so it works in real life. Not abstract portraits, but criteria that help the team confidently assign a customer to a group and understand how to work with them. I looked at:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>goals and motivation;<\/li>\n<li>risk attitude;<\/li>\n<li>experience;<\/li>\n<li>discipline;<\/li>\n<li>routines and rituals;<\/li>\n<li>learning and decision-making styles.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div class=\"e2-text-picture\">\n<img src=\"https:\/\/www.mazurchak.com\/pictures\/6x2-2.jpg\" width=\"2098\" height=\"446\" alt=\"\" \/>\n<div class=\"e2-text-caption\">This is how three segments appeared, with different motives. Each has its own entry triggers, its own aha moment, and its own criteria for what is valuable.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>Inside the segments, I saw repeating patterns: how people describe the goal, how they measure results, and which limits they see as critical.I put them into a separate block so other departments could better understand what our clients think about and how they make decisions.<\/p>\n<p>Another artifact was a matrix of selection criteria and reasons why some customers choose competitors. It connected the customer voice with the market picture and helped us define clear points of comparison across segments.<\/p>\n<h2>How I made the results accessible to the whole company<\/h2>\n<p>One typical research risk is that knowledge stays with the researcher and dies when the context changes. To avoid that, I built an internal AI agent based on the project materials: transcripts, tagging, insights, and also external sources. Teams could ask questions and get answers grounded in real interviews and quotes, including in different languages.<\/p>\n<p>This sharply increased the visibility of the knowledge portfolio: product, marketing, and support started to speak the same language and return to the source data faster when decisions were disputed.<\/p>\n",
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            "date_published": "2025-12-30T23:21:02+02:00",
            "date_modified": "2026-03-02T06:38:04+02:00",
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